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May 8, 2011

Be a Proactive Author and Become More Successful

Filed under: Authorship,Publishing — Patricia @ 5:23 am

You hear/read me say often, if you want to experience success as a published author, study the publishing industry and write a book proposal. And this was my mantra all weekend as I spoke with hopeful authors at the recent Los Angeles Times Festival of Books.

One thing that occurred to me, as I spoke with dozens and dozens of hopeful authors, is that our message to them (from the SPAWN booth) had more power and relevance than did practically anyone else’s. By this, I mean that when an author stopped off to talk to another author, he received the perspective and, in some cases, the advice of one person. He heard the experiences of one author. That author either recommended his publishing path or condemned it, depending on his experiences.

The published author might say, “Self-publishing with XYZ company is the only way to go.” However, the next author he spoke with had a different story and made different recommendations: “You must get an agent,” or “Publish your own book so you are always in control.”

When the hopeful author visited a pay-to-publish company booth (yes there were several of them represented), he got a spiel designed to entice him to sign with them. The representative has one agenda—get business for his company.

But when this author came to the SPAWN booth (that’s Small Publishers, Artists and Writers Network), his power was returned to him. We urge authors to be proactive—to gather information, facts and opinions before making any decisions. We talked about their options and how to discern which one is best for them and their project. We stressed that not every option is right for every author and every book.

Most authors, upon completing their manuscripts, emerge into the daylight eager for direction. They believe (at least for a scant moment) that there is one way to write a book and one way to publish it. They step outside of their writing room ready to ask the first person they see, “Which way to successful publishing?” They expect a simple answer to their straightforward question. But there is no simple answer.

The author might as well have asked, “How do you raise a child?” or “How do you get to Florida from California?” The answer to the publishing question is every bit as complex and diverse as is the answer to either of these questions. Just as in child-rearing or traveling, you have options and decisions to make. Everyone you talk to will give you different opinions, directions and resources.

So how do you make a decision about publishing? By studying materials and resources, by talking to others. It boils down to research and observation. And this takes time, an objective point of view and an open mind.

When you take the time to study the publishing industry, your options, the possible consequences of your choices and your responsibilities as a published author and if you can look at the facts objectively, you will make better decisions.

When you write a book proposal for your fiction or nonfiction book, you will develop a greater understanding of your project and how it fits into the scheme of things. You will maintain that sense of intimacy with your book that you experienced during the writing process. You will become aware of your book’s true audience and true value, thus you’ll learn more about your role as its marketing agent.

If you want to produce a more successful book, start the process now. Stop writing and start studying the publishing industry. Write a book proposal. Line up those ducks. Put the horse in front of the cart. And give your project a better chance to survive in the fiercely competitive world of publishing.

Sign up for my online book proposal course and let me help you get the ball rolling in your direction. http://www.matilijapress.com/course_bookproposal.htm

May 7, 2011

Common Authors’ Questions Answered

Filed under: Authorship — Patricia @ 6:08 am

I’m getting a lot of emails from people I met at the Los Angeles Times Festival of Books and some who just picked up my promo material. Most of them have questions about publishing, book promotion and so forth. And few of them seem to know much about conducting research.

Certainly, asking someone is a form of research. But, when the question is very broad or even very specialized, almost anyone would have to either conduct research in order to respond to the question or provide resources for the individual so that he or she can do the study.

Here are the types of questions I get and my responses.

Q: “Can you recommend a publisher for my science fiction thriller (romance adventure, memoir, historical novel, self-help book for parents of autistic kids, children’s book or business book)?”

A: I suggest to this hopeful author that he seek out books like his, see who published them and contact those publishers. I recommend that he study Writer’s Market and other publisher directories to find publishers in this genre/topic.

If he is looking for an agent, he can read the “acknowledgements” pages in books like his as an author will often thank or mention his agent.

Q: All I receive is rejection letters from publishers. I’ve decided to go with a “self-publishing” company. Which one would you suggest?

A: Before choosing a pay-to-publish company, let me ask you how you are approaching publishers. Are you sending a professional query letter? Do you have a complete and detailed book proposal written? I recommend stopping your forward motion now and writing a book proposal. The main purpose of the proposal is to help you determine whether you have a viable product, who your target audience is and how you will reach them. If you do your homework, you will learn volumes about your ability to market this book—your platform (skills, connections, etc.), what you can do to strengthen your skills and add new ones and strategies for promoting your book.

Most first-time authors are not well-prepared to make a good case for their projects when approaching publishers. They enter into the publishing arena without sufficient information and strategies. A weak query letter, even for a potentially viable product, will be rejected when other authors are approaching the publisher with more professional packages. In case you haven’t noticed, competition for authors is fierce.

Start by running your query letter by a professional for suggestions. Get professional help writing a strong book proposal. Make sure that you are approaching appropriate publishers for your particular project. Spend time studying the publishing industry so you have a greater understanding of what is involved.

If you decide to go with a pay-to-publish company, read Mark Levine’s book, “The Fine Print of Self-Publishing,” to make sure you are choosing one of the good guys. Get the e-book FREE when you join SPAWN (Small Publishers, Artists and Writers Network) http://www.spawn.org

If you have a question, contact me here: PLFry620@yahoo.com. Or leave your question in the comments section of this blog site.

May 6, 2011

How to Choose the Right Publishing Option

Filed under: Publishing — Patricia @ 5:28 am

Yesterday, I told you that you have publishing options. Today, I’d like to outline what the most common three are.

1: Traditional royalty publishing. There are hundreds and hundreds of publishers large and small out there eager for a book that will make them some money. Many of them specialize—so make sure that your project meets their specs. Do they publish fiction only? Is their focus on spiritual works? Maybe they only produce books for kids, for seniors, for aviators, for cat owners or for parents with small children.

While there are a number of creative options among traditional publishers today, most generally, they want to see a query letter first. If they like the sounds of your project and you make a good impression, they may ask to see your book proposal. (It is becoming more common for publishers of fiction to ask for a book proposal, as well. A book proposal for fiction is a little different from a book proposal for nonfiction.)

If the publisher decides to publish your book, he will issue you a contract that might include an advance of from $500 to $2,000 and he will outline his proposed royalty—generally somewhere between 3 and 15 percent. The publisher will invest in your project—pay to have it produced. He may change your cover design, title and ask you to do an extensive rewrite. Or he may simply make a few suggestions for a slight rewrite and produce it pretty much as is.

Some publishers require that you work with a literary agent. Most do not.

Find a legitimate agent through the Association of Author’s Representatives (AAR), http://www.aar-online.org

Find the right publisher through Writer’s Market and by checking out other books like yours and contacting those publishers.

2: Self-publishing means that the author establishes a company through which to produce his own book. The author makes all of the decisions, puts up all of the money, handles all of the details (getting the International Standard Book Number, bar code, etc.) and he reaps all of the profits.

3: Pay-to-publish (also erroneously known as “self-publishing.”) This option includes companies such as iUniverse, Authorhouse, Trafford, Tate, Infinity, PublishAmerica. While these companies might each offer different contracts, the premise is similar. You pay them to produce your book and handle all of the details.

To some authors, this seems like an answer to their publishing prayers. But if you go into an agreement with one of these companies without a clear understanding of the contract—with unrealistic expectations—you could be extremely disappointed in the outcome.

Whatever option you choose, make sure that you do your homework. I still want you to study the publishing industry and write a book proposal. If you have a manuscript worth publishing, then put forth the effort to make sure it has the best chance possible in this highly competitive world of publishing.

This brings us to the next major step—book promotion. Did you know that no matter which publishing option you choose, promotion is up to the author? I’ll explain more about this in tomorrow’s blog post.

Just let me say that I always recommend that authors maintain an intimate relationship with their book projects from start to finish so they are more prepared for the huge and ongoing responsibility of promotion.

Who is Patricia Fry?
I am the author of 34 published books, most of them related to publishing and book promotion. I established my publishing company in 1983, before it was fashionable.

Two of my self-published books were picked up by Allworth Press this year. Promote Your Book, Over 250 Proven, Low-Cost Tips and Techniques for the Enterprising Author is scheduled for publication in July of 2011. I’ll make the big announcement here. They will also reproduce my book The Right Way to Write, Publish and Sell Your Book with a new title and many updates: Publish Your Book, Proven Strategies and Resources for Enterprising Authors. (No publication date, yet.)

My articles have appeared in hundreds of magazines and newsletters over the last 35 years. In recent years, I’ve written for Publishing Basics, Book Promotion Newsletter, Writer’s Digest, Writing World, Writing for Dollars, PMA (IBPA) Independent, SPAN Connection, Advanced Christian Writing, Freelance Writer’s Report and many others.

I teach 7 online courses for writers and authors: http://www.matilijapress.com/courses.htm I teach these courses on demand, so sign up whenever you are ready to start.

Visit my websites to learn more about me and my work and to locate valuable resources to help you in your publishing journey.
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May 5, 2011

Choose Your Publishing Option Carefully

Filed under: Publishing — Patricia @ 6:09 am

Twice at our booth during the Los Angeles Times Book Festival, I heard authors say, “Self-publishing is the way to go—you do NOT want to give away all of your profits to a traditional publisher.” One turned to me and said, “Just like you said, don’t sell out to a publisher.”

I had to correct her because I did not make that statement. I think I know which publishing expert did, however.

Anyway, these blanket statements drive me crazy. One of the authors with this mindset was visiting our booth while I was trying to enlighten another visitor about his publishing options. She piped up with her opinion—loudly advising this visitor to self-publish and retain all of the profit for himself.

Sure this is valid advice for some authors, but certainly not all. It is a good option for some projects, but definitely not all. The reason why I do what I do is to help hopeful authors realize that there are options and to guide them in choosing the one that is right for them.

In publishing, there is no across-the-board right and wrong choice. The only thing that I advise every hopeful author is:

Study the Publishing Industry
Write a Book Proposal

Those of you who have been following this blog for a while, who have listened to me speak, who have attended my online courses, who have read my books and countless articles, know my position. After over 35 years within the realm of publishing and 16 years as a leader in Small Publishers, Artists and Writers Network (SPAWN), I teach and preach education for authors who want to enter into the fiercely competitive publishing field.

Know your options and the possible consequences of your choices. And understand your responsibilities as a published author. Do the work necessary to discover if your project is a viable product and how (if at all) it will fit into the market.

Folks, publishing is not about getting your dream book out to the masses. It’s not about your fantasy to be widely read. Sure, passion plays a role in the process. Without it, you wouldn’t have the motivation to do the writing. But if you want to be published, that passion must have some connection to the reality of publishing. That reality includes the fact that publishing is a business.

Which publishing option is the right one for you and for your project? This depends on your goals and your expectations. Tomorrow, I will go over those options and outline some of the pros and cons of each.

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May 4, 2011

Working a Book Festival: Part II

Filed under: Book Promotion — Patricia @ 5:36 am

Here’s the continuation of my blog on how to work a book festival so it works for you.

I have attended around fifty book festivals over the years—large ones like the Los Angeles Times Festival of Books and small ones. And each of them seems to have a personality of its own. The thing is, you just don’t know what to expect at a book festival. You might sell numbers of books and meet up with many opportunities or you may sit alone for most of the day and sell nothing.

I’ve seen authors turn what could have been “nothing” days into good days. How?

• The author engages people as they walk past their booth. If she has a children’s book, she might say, “Do you know a child who likes to read?” She may also ask parents with children, “May I read a short story to your child?” Try this and you will sell copies of your charming children’s book. Likewise, I once saw the author of a poetry book sell 30 copies in a day by asking passersby if she could read a poem to them.

• When someone seems interested in his book, the author talks to the visitor about benefits not features. (What can the book do for the potential reader?)

• The author knows how to listen. Sometimes the visitor just wants to tell his story or rant about his experiences related to the theme of your book. If your book addresses some of the issues he brings up, let him know this and he may become a customers.

• If there is nothing happening—it’s a really slow day—the author might walk around the event with his book and show it to other book festival participants. I often sell copies of my publishing/book promotion-related books to other authors at book festivals. And I buy books, as well.

• Authors who maintain a good attitude even when things seem slow will sell more books than those who appear disgruntled.

• I typically stand to face booth visitors rather than sitting during a conversation.

• I make sure visitors walk away with a handout—a postcard, brochure or business card, for example.

This spring why don’t you seek out a book festival near you or where you will be traveling and plan to take full advantage of the exposure and opportunities in the experience.

To locate book festivals, do an Internet search using key words: “book festival” and your city/state. Unfortunately, there doesn’t seem to be a reliable directory of book festivals in the US. If you know of one, please let me know: PLFry620@yahoo.com.

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May 3, 2011

What Can a Book Festival Do For an Author?

Filed under: Book Promotion — Patricia @ 4:01 am

Have you ever sat behind a display of your very own books at a book festival, greeting visitors in hopes that they will make a purchase? How many times have you walked away after a book festival despondent because you are toting most of the books you came with? How many of you have vowed never to pay for space at a book festival again? It doesn’t have to end this way.

Book festivals present great opportunities for authors. But you have to do your part. I suggest that you change your approach and your outlook.

What is your main objective when you reserve space at a book festival? Most authors say, “To sell enough books to make it worth my while.”

Have you ever considered the side benefits to participating in a book festival? There’s exposure, of course. If you stay in the game and continue promoting your book to your audience, exposure can lead to sales. Exposure is more valuable than many authors know. There are people who purchase books on the spot. But there are many others who don’t buy a book they actually want until they’ve seen it, heard about it and/or read about it numbers of times.

And exposure can garner other advantages, as well. Let’s say that your book features unusual gifts you can make for under $25. You might meet a stringer for a home and garden, country or craft magazine who would love to interview you for an article. A librarian might want to include your children’s book in their summer reading program. A small business owner might see your book on office organization and hire you as a consultant. An organization or corporate leader might take your card and call you several weeks or months after the event to order two boxes of your business management book for employees.

Exposure is not typically a one-shot opportunity. Very often, there are ongoing and far-reaching effects resulting from exposure.

Authors often say to me, “I did a book festival once. Didn’t sell many books, so I won’t be doing that again.”

I will sometimes ask the author, “Did you meet anyone interesting at the book festival?”

She might say, “Not really.”

I’ll say, “I almost always meet someone who offers me an opportunity of some sort.”

The author might then reply, “Oh yes—there was this guy who came by my booth. He gave me his card—what did I do with that? He said that he was in charge of buying goodie-bag gifts for conventions coming to town and he wanted me to give him a bulk discount price. I guess I forgot to contact him.”

Hellllooooo! That’s called an opportunity.

Some authors recognize the opportunities that occur at book festivals and still don’t consider book festivals worth attending. I know one author who met the producer of a syndicated radio show who wanted to put him on the air with his book. And another met a man who later filmed a documentary around the theme of his book.

New authors ask me what to expect at a book festival. I will talk about that in tomorrow’s blog post. I’ll also provide some tips on how to make your book festival experience a good (and profitable) one.

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May 2, 2011

Great Bookselling Event in LA

Filed under: Bookselling — Patricia @ 10:43 am

The Los Angeles Times Festival of Books is over for another year. It has been held at UCLA campus for 15 or 16 years. This year, we went to USC. The most common small talk topic throughout the two-day event was with regard to the new venue. “How do you like it?” “Are you selling books here?” “What’s your opinion of the event this year?”

And there were a variety of responses: “It’s more spread out.” “I keep getting lost.” “It seems to be a different crowd.” “I’m selling more books.” I’m selling fewer.” “I love it!” “I hate it!” Everyone had an opinion.

It seems that the event was more well-attended than those in the past. Attendance usually hits around 140,000. We heard that nearly 100,000 people came through the gates on Saturday alone.

As most of you know, I am the executive director of SPAWN (Small Publishers, Artists and Writers Network) and we had two booths. We accommodated 7 of our members who came to sell their books from the booth and each of them had a different experience. Some sold books, some did not. All of them told me that they learned a lot about book marketing and promotion, book festivals, how to engage customers, SPAWN and they all had a great time networking with other members and talking to potential customers about their books.

We handed out around 450 SPAWN catalogs and signed up about 200 people who are interested in receiving the free SPAWN e-newsletter. Our former executive director and I talked to well over 100 people about their book projects and about the benefits of joining SPAWN. My voice is nearly gone today.

We’re currently in the process of tallying up our members’ book sales, but it appears it is around 75 books. Two members sold none. So the average is probably around 15 books each.

I’ve been super busy this morning unpacking, counting my money, charging credit cards (one was declined, darn it), welcoming new SPAWN members (we had 3 sign up this weekend), etc. I still have to go through the mountain of business cards I collected and note what action I want to take with each one. And I have to sign around 200 people up for the SPAWN newsletter.

If you would like to start receiving SPAWNews, go to http://www.spawn.org/subscribe.htm You will receive an email from us. Be sure to click and confirm. You will receive our newsletter in your email box every first of each month.

Let me know if you have questions: PLFry620@yahoo.com

Are you planning to attend a book festival with your books this year? You might be interested in reading my article, “How to Work a Book Festival So It Works For You.” http://www.matilijapress.com/articles/promo_bookFestival.htm

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April 29, 2011

Can You Trust Your Editors?

Filed under: Editing — Patricia @ 4:18 am

That’s a strange question coming from an editor, isn’t it? But I do have a point.

I’ve been creating the index for the revised and expanded edition of my original 75 Good Ideas for Promoting Your Book. Allworth Press will come out with the new edition in July of this year. The new title is Promote Your Book, Over 250 Proven, Low-Cost Tips and Techniques for the Enterprising Author.

The index is completed. Now I am proofing the edited galley. Even after I did my best self-edit before sending this manuscript to the publisher, and even after the publisher’s editors went through it, I am finding mistakes. I’ve discovered 22 so far and I’m less than ¼ of the way through.

What am I finding? I discovered that we had used “off” rather than “of” in one spot. The editors misunderstood where the section break should be in one instance. I caught some inconsistencies where we capitalized Chamber of Commerce, for example, in some cases and not others. I am asking them to put this term in lower case. Italics are missing in a couple of spots. A word is in italics that shouldn’t be. There are some closed quotes missing. A question mark was missing. I even found an instance where we had “yar,” instead of “your.”

These are all small things that make a big difference and they’re all things that are easy to miss when you have the enormous task of editing your own or someone else’s book.

While editing is going on whenever you spend time with your book—while you’re fleshing out a scene, searching for a comment, looking it over for style, creating an index, etc.—you must also edit with intention. By this, I mean plan to spend several days or a week in complete editing mode—scrutinizing each and every word and sentence. Pull your copy of the Chicago Manual of Style out of mothballs (better yet, spring for the latest edition—14th) and use it to determine those questions that come up. Should numbers be written out or not? When is “captain” capitalized? How is dialogue handled? Is it heartwarming, heart-warming or heart warming?

And once you have done your best job of self-editing, it is time to hand your book over to someone with fresh eyes and some editorial knowledge. Yes, pay an editor to fine-tune your manuscript.

Now you are ready to present your wonderful manuscript to the publisher of your choice. Once it is accepted and their editors work with it, you will get it back for your final review. This is another important opportunity for the author. The time you spend in this phase is also highly important. You WILL discover at least a few mistakes. There will be things that everyone missed. The company editors may have made changes in error.

As an example, I mention my book, The Mainland Luau, in the book I am currently proofing. I wrote that I use handouts during book signings for this book featuring a recipe for a pork roast that you cook in the oven, and that it tastes like kalua pork. The editors changed this to kalhua-flavored pork. Sounds good. But that isn’t what I meant. “Kalua” is the Hawaiian term for cooking underground and that’s the word I meant to use here.

Can you trust your editors? In most cases, yes. But you still want to cover all of your bases by hiring a good book editor who is knowledgeable about the publishing industry. You want to pay close attention to her suggestions. Never accept them all blindly—she may have misunderstood your meaning. And always give your book a good proofing before it goes to the publisher and before it goes it print. You’ll be glad you did.

This blog site will go dark for the next two days while I am working hard (and having fun) at the Los Angeles Times Festival of Books. This is a good opportunity for you to spend time in the archives. You’ll notice to the lower right, a list of topics. Click on those that interest you and start enjoying some past posts. I’m sure that you will learn something new.

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April 28, 2011

The Gifts That Come With Writing

Filed under: Uncategorized — Patricia @ 5:05 am

This morning a freelance-writer friend emailed me with news that an editor from a new (to her) magazine had tracked her down and wanted an article from her. She was certainly pleased. It’s always thrilling to get an assignment without having to do all of the legwork, creative-thinking, pitching, begging…

I responded to her email with congratulations and by saying that freelance writers who stay in the business for any length of time enjoy some wonderful opportunities and experiences.

So what are some of the gifts that writers receive?

• Assignments, of course. It does happen—editors will see your article in a competitor’s magazine and commission you to write one for them. Editors and publishers also go on the prowl for good writers at blog sites. If you’ve been putting off establishing a blog, this is one good reason why to move forward with it.

• Perks. As a journalist or freelance writer, you may be invited to tour an off-limits area, meet high profile people, have interesting experiences, etc. that most people wouldn’t have. Because of my status as a freelance writer, I’ve been given private tours of massive natural gardens, a bird rehabilitation center, factories, amazing homes, etc. I was even invited to enter a cage with a pair of Pallas cats at a zoo in Denver years ago in order to photograph the wild cats for a story.

• Opportunities. Since I wrote regularly for The Toastmaster Magazine for many years, I was noticed. In 2006, I was invited to be the keynote speaker at a Toastmaster convention. I said YES and I was presented with an all expenses paid trip to Dubai where I spoke before 800 Toastmasters from all over the Middle East.

If you’ve been freelancing for any length of time, you’ve probably already experienced some of the gifts that come with the profession. I’d like to hear about some of them. PLFry620@yahoo.com. Or leave your comment here.

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April 27, 2011

Book Promotion on the Internet and Beyond

Filed under: Book Promotion — Patricia @ 4:45 am

I responded to an email from the author of a novel who is confused about book promotion this morning and I thought I would share parts of it with you. I told this author:

“Promotion is the hard part—that’s for sure. You mentioned some of the things you are doing on the Internet to attract readers. You are definitely going after wide exposure. Yes, there are a few things you can do additionally to maximize your Internet presence, but I’m not sure it will have any greater effect than what you are already doing. Just look at the competition for space and attention on the Internet. It’s fierce. You’ve probably seen that commercial on TV where everyone is trying to get ‘Marcel’s’ attention—trying to get him to watch their show. It’s that way on the Internet. Everyone is so busy trying to get attention that there is no one paying attention to what others are offering.

However, here are a couple of additional ideas for getting exposure on the Internet:
1. A virtual tour. This is a one-time blast, and I’m not sure how effective they are. You set it up with other bloggers to be guest blogger at their sites during a one-day or one-week blast of promotion for your book. You might also post stories at related sites, comment at other blogs, advertise something free from your website and anything else you can think of to become known among your potential audience.

2: You can become known on websites related to your genre. Get your book listed as recommended reading, etc. This means spending a lot of time searching out and visiting websites.

3: Get book reviews—lots of them—online at appropriate fiction sites, as well as book review sites. If your book has elements that would be conducive to reviews by a garden site, autism organization site, girl biker site, etc., consider that, too. The sites you choose would depend on the subject matter or theme of your novel.

4. Get book reviews in literary magazines and other magazines and newsletters that review books like yours.

5: Get involved with public appearances. This, in my opinion, is still the best way to sell books. Book signings—are they successful? They can be. You may not sell a whole lot of books at each book signings, but you are meeting your readers, you are getting press and all of this equates to exposure. Without exposure, you will not be noticed. I would also go out and give unusual and interesting presentations. Have audience members help you act out scenes, etc. Find ways to make presentations memorable. (Request a copy of my article on how to have a more successful book signing.)

Maybe it would help you to get more organized and to create a more reasonable marketing plan if you took my online book promotion workshop. Check it out at http://www.matilijapress.com/course_bookpromotion.htm

Keep in mind, that book promotion is ongoing for as long as you want to sell your book and it can be intense. But, you can’t do it all and you shouldn’t try to. At first, book promotion may be sort of a smorgasbord—you test and taste several activities. But, as a survival tactic, you really do need to pare it down—choose those activities you can handle and that seem to work best for your book and spend all of your efforts in that area.”

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